Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Location: Modding other games.
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject:
Unofficial VXLSE III 1.38.R.1.0
Subject description: Roach's Version: New Shortcut keys added
I really hated how VXLSE III lack shortcut keys and how producing voxels devolve into a clickfest so I found the source code lying in my Hard Drive and decided to code in a few shortcut keys to lessen the burden I have get through all the time. Download, extract and place the executable in you VXLSE III directory, run it and enjoy
It works fine for me.
EDIT: I made some small changes to the existing shortcuts to make it feel more comfortable and added one extra shortcut that allows you to toggle disable/enable 3d view by pressing 'X' since I forgot add that earlier.
EDIT: Anyone that is using an older version, I suggest you to redownload it again so that way you have the latest version. Also includes readme.
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Location: Modding other games.
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject:
Thanks and I agree, the point of developing mod tools is to make the user interface less of a burden as much as possible for the average joe compared to recent revisions. I can't believe why banshee never thought of this. And now it takes me half the time to make something than before.
Right now I'm examining the Remove Redundant Voxel code and the voxel engine.
BTW, I changed the Normals palette back to classic pink, tho I also experimented with different color gradients. _________________
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Everybody knows a mod that doesn't update every ten seconds is dead.
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Location: Modding other games.
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject:
I made some small changes to the existing shortcuts to make it feel more comfortable and added one extra shortcut that allows you to toggle disable/enable 3d view by pressing 'X' since I forgot add that earlier.
and I decided to scrap the pink Normals palette cause think some people would feel unconfortable if I get rid of the grayscale Normals palette. _________________
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Everybody knows a mod that doesn't update every ten seconds is dead.
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:11 am Post subject:
Are you using the material from the SVN?
And please, inform me the changed code, so I can add it into future versions. I'm still working on this tool (just had a little pause last weekend because of the Global Game Jam). QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:52 am Post subject:
That sucks. The SVN with the latest source code is public for a reason. We we've changed that a lot already.
I hope you can provide the code changes that you've made, rather than the full source code itself, since I won't be comparing an old version with yours to figure out what you've changed or not... QUICK_EDIT
Learn SVN? ...because that's what Banshee wants you to do. He won't and shouldn't zip the latest sources since they are online for you to download yourself. That's what the SVN is for...
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I can't stand having to download each file individually
Once you do it, PM me and I'll create an account for you, so you can commit.
Anyway, once you checkout you can:
-> Update: this brings the latest source code into your machine and merges it with your current code.
-> Commit: You place your changes online. Make sure you make a good description of everything that you changed. Do not commit .dcu files and ignore conflicts with the executable (simply recompile the program and mark it as resolved).
Note that PPM's SVN is offline at the moment, since it wasn't moved with the site yet. It is still on Fawkes. This situation should get sorted in the next days. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Location: Modding other games.
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject:
A five minute job and we got loads of new shortcut keys for vxlse III 1.39.04 . I'll be sure to Commit once my you received my PM. TBH, I'd never see a voxeller myself becoming a developer.
Whats new?
Lots of shortcut keys has been added to improve user interface
and lessen the burden and time wasted, making everyones life easier
for the rest of us.
Draw = Q
Eyedropper = S
Line tool = A
Eraser = E
Flood Fill = F
Flood Erase = R
Filled Rectangle = D
Framed Rectangle = W
Darken tool = Z
Lighten tool = C
Toggle disable 3d view = X
**XYZ navigation keys**
J = move up one layer in the X axis
Shift+J = move down one layer in the X axis
K = move up one layer in the Y axis
Shift+K = move down one layer in the Y axis
L = move up one layer in the Z axis
Shift+L = move down one layer in the Z axis
//Nudge shortcuts already exist in the latest version
//Shift+Ctrl+up = Nudge up 1
//Shift+Ctrl+down = Nudge down 1
//Shift+Ctrl+left = Nudge left 1
//Shift+Ctrl+right = Nudge right 1
***Added shortcut keys to the latest VXLSE III 1.39.04 revision.48 today***
Measuring tool = V _________________
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Everybody knows a mod that doesn't update every ten seconds is dead.
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject:
Have you really edited the source of the SVN? If you did, you might take a look into this function:
procedure TFrmMain.FormKeyDown(Sender: TObject; var Key: Word;
Shift: TShiftState);
That moves the x, y, z layers up and down with shift + x, y or z. (shift goes backwards and without shift, it goes forward for each direction) QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Location: Modding other games.
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:53 am Post subject:
Ya I dowloaded the source from the SVN using the client. and added the new shortcut codes in it already, Build it and works like a charm. Right now I'm examining the Remove Redundant Voxel code to see if I can improve it so it can leave two layers instead of one since I long agree with this suggestion by Stingerr http://www.ppmsite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9389
And I already know that the nudge shortcuts exist in the latest revision.
I only added them to the older version that I was using to make things easier for me. _________________
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Everybody knows a mod that doesn't update every ten seconds is dead.
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject:
Do not waste your time with Remove Redundant Voxels. I'm also working on it because of the new TVoxelMap class (VoxelMap.pas).
I'm almost done with it, but there is a method in this new class that is not providing the expected results. It's just a matter of hours.. to fix it. QUICK_EDIT
It contains Roaches's shortcuts and a fixed Remove Redundant Voxels feature. Also, the old auto normals were lightly improved.
Note however that the executable from this link must replace an existing installation, or I have no words for what kind of consequences you'll face with it . QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Location: Modding other games.
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject:
Yeehaa! thanks for the fixing the Remove Redundant Voxel feature, Finally I can have a lagless vxlse but one bug tho I'm sure you know about it already: TS Normals index 35 doesn't display properly, I'm sure you fix that later.
Oh and why I decided to use J,K,L for axis navigation is because it feels more comfortable as I use my left hand to hold the shift key while I keep my right hand on JKL keys for quicker axis navigation than having to move my fingers across the keyboard, tho I'm sure everyone would be more comfortable with it.
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Everybody knows a mod that doesn't update every ten seconds is dead.
btw to redundant voxels...
autonormals delete voxelunits randomly when normalizing...is this fixed already? _________________ just a simple logo by bricks @ raminator, on Flickr QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Location: Modding other games.
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject:
Strange? when did this started to happen? I haven't encountered such a bug yet. Mind posting a screenshot of what happened? and since its related to autonormals its beyond my capability of fixing it since I'm not familiar with the Normals code along with advanced vectors mathematics so I don't touch that part of the source. _________________
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Everybody knows a mod that doesn't update every ten seconds is dead.
Oh and why I decided to use J,K,L for axis navigation is because it feels more comfortable as I use my left hand to hold the shift key while I keep my right hand on JKL keys for quicker axis navigation than having to move my fingers across the keyboard, tho I'm sure everyone would be more comfortable with it.
I don't find it that comfortable TBH, I only use my left hand on the keyboard & now the shift key is either too close or too far from the navigation keys to feel right. All of the new short cuts are on the left side of the keyboard too so its annoying changing from one side to another.
I can understand that most ppl use both hands when using a keyboard & this layout will probably feel better for a lot of ppl but because of this change I'm gona have to use the older version of VXLSE :/ _________________
happend in all versions...
pmed you a voxel where you can take a look at it...
it should be shapewise symmetrically... _________________ just a simple logo by bricks @ raminator, on Flickr QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject:
I've tested it here with all autonormals and... no, auto normals do not eat its pixels. But the way it sets its normals (specially the tangent plane one) makes an ilusion that may trick almost every user that some pixels were eaten. But if you pay a special attention, you'll see that they weren't eaten at all.
But all auto-normals fails hard with this vehicle. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:50 am Post subject:
Errr... Roach. You are changing the short cuts for the XYZ navigation a way too often without a proper design.
Do not decide the keys based if a user is left or right handed, for Gods sake. Try to make the program intuitive, instead. Make sure that the thing is the most obvious thing as possible. If you do not know the best way to make it intuitive, then, let the user decide how do they prefer. QUICK_EDIT
Simple option would be to make it so that shortcuts can be choosen by the users. That way you can have the standard shortcuts as well as "Left handed" ones, etc for people to choose from, or custom so they can make there own. _________________ Free Map Editor - Game Requirements - Stucuk.Net QUICK_EDIT
It is true. My card is "barely" nine years old and an ATI clone. From our modder facebook group, we are five currently active ones, and for two of us, the 1.4 just doesn't work. Plus, we are modding a sixteen year old game... if we had the latest hardware, we would probably be doing SCII or something :v :v
Can we at least get the last updated unofficial 1.38/1.39, which had anti-black hole "remove redundant voxels" functionality?
(VXLSE III 1.39.04 revision.48 for example)
There was once a link to it somewhere, but it got auto-"updated" with 1.4 ... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Make a copy of cschemes folder and rename it to cscheme (without the last s).
Now you should get the scripts on the toolbar for older version.
If you want older versions go to SVN 1.4 link and click on Log link. And then in
the max entry type 600 etc. and use show all option. You will get all version links.
Go there and download. You can remove the source code materials for cleanup.
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